Turkish Airlines to start Australian flights in December

The Star Alliance member will connect Istanbul to Australia via Asia, with non-stop flights to follow.

By David Flynn, July 21 2023
Turkish Airlines to start Australian flights in December
Executive Traveller exclusive

Turkish Airlines will begin flights to Australia in December, and both Sydney and Melbourne are in the running – with the eventual prospect of direct daily flights to both cities using new ultra-long range jets.

In an exclusive interview with Executive Traveller on a visit to Melbourne, Turkish Airlines Chairman Ahmet Bolat revealed he is in final stages of discussion with both airports.

Bolat also admitted there were “some legal issues” involved, without going into specifics, but said “both countries are working on it.”

According to The Financial Review, the Australian government has yet to approve Turkish Airlines’ entry into the local market, having recently also blocked an expansion by Qatar Airways.

As to the issue of Sydney vs Melbourne, Bolat described the competition as “actually 50/50 right now,” although Melbourne may have the edge because “Sydney Airport is more limited compared to Melbourne Airport... but in terms of the number of the passengers that we can carry, they have similar potentials.”

“We have not decided which city we are going to fly to first,” he admitted, but expects that decision to be made by “mid-August”, with the flights themselves going on sale very soon after.

“We’re going to start immediately to sell (them)” he told Executive Traveller, “and we are targeting mid-December this year” for the first flight to take off.

“We are working on three flights per week via Singapore using our Boeing 787s for this journey,” Bolat confirmed.

Bolat then intends to ramp up the frequency to five flights per week before moving to a daily roster – and eventually, daily flights to both Sydney and Melbourne “is our strategic target.”

After years of waiting, Turkish Airlines is finally headed to Australia.
After years of waiting, Turkish Airlines is finally headed to Australia.

However, regardless of which city is chosen for the honour of hosting Turkish Airlines’ inaugural flights to Australia, Bolat said the other city would only follow once that first city is brought up to daily flights.

“The way that we will do it will (be to) compete daily in the city that we selected, (and) then we'll go to the other city” – a process which be predicted could take “two years.”

Turkish Airlines’ Boeing 787 each have 30 flatbed business class seats in the same design as Singapore Airlines’ Airbus A350 and Boeing 787-10 ‘regional business class’.

Turkish Airlines Airbus A350 & Boeing 787 business class.
Turkish Airlines Airbus A350 & Boeing 787 business class.

Turkish Airlines already has daily flights to Singapore, where it uses Changi Airport’s Terminal 1 – the same terminal as used by Qantas and Emirates, among others.

During that Singapore stopover, business class passengers, Elite and Elite Plus members of the airline’s Miles&Smiles reward program and their Star Alliance Gold siblings will break their journey at T1’s SATS Lounge.

The long leg between Singapore and Istanbul will take around 11 hours, and a total Sydney-Istanbul or Melbourne-Istanbul travel time of 21 hours including the Singapore stopover.

There'll be plenty of time for sleeping on flights between Australia and Istanbul.
There'll be plenty of time for sleeping on flights between Australia and Istanbul.

Bolat also told Executive Traveller the airline will seek ‘fifth freedom rights’ to sell the Singapore-Australia leg on its own, describing that as “really a crucial factor” for the route.

Non-stop from Istanbul to Sydney and Melbourne

However, Bolat eventually hopes to skip Singapore with non-stop Istanbul-Australia flights using ultra-long range jets from Airbus, in the form of the A350-1000ULR, or Boeing’s delayed 777X.

“Our main goal is to fly directly to both Sydney and Melbourne every day, with the production of a new generation of ultra-long-range aircraft.”

But those globe-spanning flights won’t take wing until the end of this decade at the earliest.

“It’s five years if it’s the A350, if it’s the 777 it’ll take seven years to mature,” Bolat expects, saying Turkish Airlines is looking at an order of “10 to 15” aircraft, which would also fly to South American destinations such as Santiago and Bueno Aires.

But while that remains some years away, for now “it’s time to show the Turkish Airlines logo in Australia.”

Turkish Airlines Airbus A350 & Boeing 787 business class.
Turkish Airlines Airbus A350 & Boeing 787 business class.

Bolat says his ambition to connect Istanbul and Australia is a long-held one, noting the airline “carried 120,837 passengers in 2019 and 118,847 passengers in 2022 with airlines with codeshare agreements from Australia, where we do not have direct flights yet.”

This hints at the untapped potential for Turkish Airlines to add Australia to its network map, with scores of convenient connections spearing out from Istanbul across Europe, the UK and Africa.

Turkish Airlines offers an extensive network of flights across Europe and the UK.
Turkish Airlines offers an extensive network of flights across Europe and the UK.

For stopovers at Türkiye’s impressive new Istanbul Airport between six and 24 hours, the airline offers two free packages for exploring the sprawling city, which straddles both Europe and Asia on either side of the Bosporus: a choice between eight city tours, and a more comprehensive Stopover in Istanbul program including a complimentary stay of up to two nights in a five-star hotel.

Bolat also says business class passengers from Australia will be offered a free domestic return flight to the historic city of Karahan Tepe, in the country’s south-east, best known for ongoing archeological digs.

The Turkish Airlines experience

Turkish Airlines is held in high regard by business class travellers, with one highlight of the journey being “restaurant quality” gourmet meals prepared by the airline’s signature Flying Chefs – and yes, they’re actual chefs, not cabin crew wearing a fancy hat.

Turkish Airlines Airbus A350 & Boeing 787 business class.
Turkish Airlines Airbus A350 & Boeing 787 business class.

The airline’s Boeing 787 flatbed business class seats are arranged 1-2-1 to provide privacy and direct aisle access for every passenger, with an 18-inch video screen plus free inflight WiFi.

Turkish Airlines Airbus A350 & Boeing 787 business class.
Turkish Airlines Airbus A350 & Boeing 787 business class.

Turkish Airlines’ Istanbul Airport hub features two stunning lounges – one for business class travellers, the other for frequent flyers holding Elite and Elite Plus status in Turkish Airlines’ Miles&Smiles program (and their Star Alliance Gold equivalents).

One of Turkish Airlines' two flagship lounges at Istanbul.
One of Turkish Airlines' two flagship lounges at Istanbul.

Top-tier frequent flyers with Qantas, Emirates, Etihad Airways and any member of the Oneworld and SkyTeam alliances can apply for a Turkish Airlines’ Miles&Smiles status match to obtain up to 12 months as a Miles&Smiles Elite tier member, unlocking practical perks such as lounge access, a higher checked luggage allowance and the use of priority lanes at Istanbul Airport.

Read more: How to get a Turkish Airlines Star Alliance status match

Additional reporting by Chris Ashton

22 Jan 2018

Total posts 102

 Turkish Airlines is generally held in high regard by business class travellers ” - really?? They have a 2-3-2 on most of their 77Ws. Not saying it’s miserable or anything, but hardly a 5 star experience like on Qatar. 

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

06 Oct 2016

Total posts 160

I've only been on the 787 long haul which was very good, but the big thing is connect to a proper 2+2 business class on narrowbodies within Europe. I can't think of anyone else that still does that.

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

27 Sep 2017

Total posts 32

If you have never flown on Turkish 777s then you would have known that 787 and 350 product is the same as SQ regional business class seat, making 330/777 product far more comfortable for long haul journey.

30 Jan 2015

Total posts 26

How is TK for aircraft substitution? The business hard product on the 789 and 359 look good, but I'd hate to get swapped to a 77W.

31 Dec 2014

Total posts 43

More competition is always a good thing and this long-anticipated news is a bonus for travellers to Europe.

TK offers 2x2 business class seating intra-Europe and IST can make an interesting stopover.

Their ground service when something goes wrong and IT used by frequent flyers both need some work though.

As a TK Elite I sometimes get frustrated and look for alternatives but always find my way back to TK. Welcome to Australia TK!

American Airlines - AAdvantage

13 Jul 2015

Total posts 274

When is it going to be bookable?

15 Jun 2023

Total posts 1

As a Turk I have been waiting for this news for almost 5 decades.  In one report many years prior, THY officials stated that the Australian government did not want us to enter service in Australia.  They never stated a reason why.  Irony is I was on this topic literally days ago.  I concluded that it would transpire when Turkiye becomes a powerhouse, but the wait is over now.  

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

16 Jan 2018

Total posts 120

This is great news! As mentioned 2x2 intra Europe is ideal! Once non stop it will give the likes of EK/EY/QR a run for the money - of course with the right product and pricing. For those that have done the SQ regional J that’s what these seats are. Not the most spacious but still a lie flat bed. Their catering and meal service is among the best!

Thai Airways International - Royal Orchid Plus

15 Jan 2013

Total posts 454

About time.For years now basically Singapore Airlines has owned this market from 1987 to the present day for people not keen to hub via the middle east.

04 Dec 2017

Total posts 71

2 stops to/from Europe when the likes of Qantas will be doing it non stop. It had better be significantly cheaper than even the 1 stop options for it to be viable I would have thought. Think I'd still prefer the cheaper QF/AY or QF/RJ options which are great value reflective of a 2 stop service.

Etihad - Etihad Guest

21 Jul 2019

Total posts 156

As the article very clearly says, a non-stop service is exactly what Turkish Airlines is aiming for when their new fleet of ultra long haul jets come online. This Asia stopover phase is a temporary measure. And I'd still choose them over QF for any longhaul, regardless of stopovers.

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

27 Feb 2015

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Europe starts in Istanbul and finishes in London (more or less). I am really looking forward to using TK for anything east of the “everybody has been/is going there” line (I reckon that is from Dubrovnik to Berlin). 

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

25 Feb 2017

Total posts 14

Technically only one stop to Europe.   Most of Istanbul & it's airport is in Europe.  I assume you mean 2 stops to other European cities - and I don't think this service is going to be targeted for that.  I'm sure there are enough travellers between Aus & Turkey alone to warrant them starting this service.

05 Mar 2015

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Great news, I have flown TK to Singapore before the pandemic and they were excellent. Loved the IST business class lounge, although it was almost exactly the same as the frequent flyer lounge, so they are both top-notch lounges. Great meals and service. Not a fan of this particular business class seat but overall TK will be a welcome dose of competition and at just the right time to hopefully help bring prices down!

Emirates Airlines - Skywards

11 Mar 2015

Total posts 194

If you ever flown on Singapore 'regional' business class you will know how narrow these seats are very uncomfortable for sleeping purposes unless you are a small and very skinny person.I'm ave 178/73 kg and never felt comfy in those seats to sleep.Only for daytime flights!Rather fly with others who offer better products than this for similar price.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer P1

23 Aug 2014

Total posts 119

Much much better footwell space and width than the SQ business seats so a plus for Star Alliance travellers

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

10 Nov 2011

Total posts 135

Interesting that VA FF are exempt from the status match. Are we looking at a potential TK/VA partnership?

Aegean Airlines - Miles & Bonus

16 Jul 2019

Total posts 26

Turkish will give Emirates, Etihad and Qatar a run for their money given they fly into far more cities in Europe than any of the Middle East 3. Istanbul is a huge hub with high quality retail, F&B and very decent lounges, including pay per visit options and sleeping pods. It's too big for my liking but you can pay and get taken to your gate in a golf buggy. 

The Istanbul stopover options on TK are also decent with free day tours incl. lunch offered to all classes. Hotel stopovers are also cheapish.

Finally, while the newer and older business class seats on the 787/A350/A330 and 777s are equally average quality when it comes to space and privacy, the fact their entire fleet has proper Business Class seating (rather then the eurobusiness BA, LH, KLM, AF etc use) means you'll never be cramped. Personally I like the space of the 777/A330 Business seats.  The new 787/A350 pods can be tight in sleep mode. 

Food is always excellent. Service can be a mixed bag and ground service in Turkey can be rather abrupt. The crew are not international like EK, QR, EY and some things get lost in translation but the cabin crew usually mean well. 

TK will be a great addition to the AUS - Asia - Europe market. Wonder if they will have Fifth Freedom rights to/from Singapore to/from Oz? Would give SQ and QF a lot of competition there. 

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

18 May 2018

Total posts 2

I have travelled with Turkish several times in the past with no complaints about inflight service, only about the overcrowding of their Istanbul lounge. Increased competition must be good for travellers but, having been victim to Turkish Airlines shameless price-gouging policies and unfair regulations regarding redemption of vouchers for cancelled flights during the pandemic, I will never fly with them again. 

QF

11 Jul 2014

Total posts 927

Another good option, I note no one has really spoken about it being another Star Alliance member.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Mar 2015

Total posts 2

Can you book MEL - SIN one way J class on Turkish Airlines

That won't be known until TK officially announces these flights, and it will also depend on if the airline has applied for and been granted "fifth freedom" rights with Singapore. "Fifth freedom rights" are what lets an airline fly on just one leg of a stopover route, in this case the SIN-MEL and MEL-SIN leg. It would certainly make sense for TK to be able to tap into this extra revenue from passengers who just want to go to Singapore. BA does this with its LHR-SIN-SYD flight, it's not a bad option to have up your sleeve sometimes when QF and SQ are too expensive or booked out.

That won't be known until TK officially announces these flights, and it will also depend on if the airline has applied for and been granted "fifth freedom" rights with Singapore. "Fifth freedom rights" are what lets an airline fly on just one leg of a stopover route, in this case the SIN-MEL and MEL-SIN leg. It would certainly make sense for TK to be able to tap into this extra revenue from passengers who just want to go to Singapore. BA does this with its LHR-SIN-SYD flight, it's not a bad option to have up your sleeve sometimes when QF and SQ are too expensive or booked out.

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

07 Dec 2014

Total posts 173

AFR reporting that the Federal Government has blocked Turkish's access?

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

05 Oct 2016

Total posts 85

I read that too. What is this idiot government playing at??? Options are limited and costs are thru the roof and they're stopping competition in favor of rip off rorter Joyce .... same with the ludicrous idea of blocking QR. Totally absurd.

25 Nov 2022

Total posts 4

Yup, I saw this too. Absolutely ludicrous decision and smacks of outside influence. I urge anyone with strong feelings on this to submit a report to NACC to investigate any possible corruption here. There is no way these decisions have been made with everyday Australians in mind. The mind boggles!

https://report.nacc.gov.au/ 


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